RfB - Jo-Jo Eumerus

[Ritchie333]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... Jo_Eumerus

Seems like a fine candidate to me, but I nominated him for RfA in the first place, so I'm probably not a neutral judge on that.

I used to think Leaky caldron (T-C-L) was a reasonable chap who made good points and was fed up with admins belittling him, now I just think he's thin-skinned. Somebody should invite him on here.

[Mason]

Thin-skinned? Yeah, that checks out. One time when he was being a tit on one of the noticeboards and I told him I found his relentless sniping unpleasant, he accused me of "bullying" him.

Mostly he just likes to hear himself talk, I think. Just don't talk back, though.

[Ritchie333]

He popped onto my talk page a while back to complain about something and made a frightening spectacle of himself.

[Poetlister]

Amazing; when did we last have three RfBs going at once? I know Jo-Jo as one of the very best admins when it comes to content creation (if that's not damning with faint praise). I have little experience of him acting as an admin.

Currently 26/6/1 or 81%, which is probably not a pass, but it's early days yet. If the crats consider the strength of the arguments, they may feel that most of the opposes are weak. The idea that making him a crat will weaken the admin group because he'll spend loads of time being a crat is daft. By that argument, only useless rubbish admins would be allowed to be crats. Indeed, only useless rubbish admins would be allowed to be on Arbcom ... hm.

[Jans Hammer]

Amazing; when did we last have three RfBs going at once? I know Jo-Jo as one of the very best admins when it comes to content creation (if that's not damning with faint praise). I have little experience of him acting as an admin.

Currently 26/6/1 or 81%, which is probably not a pass, but it's early days yet. If the crats consider the strength of the arguments, they may feel that most of the opposes are weak. The idea that making him a crat will weaken the admin group because he'll spend loads of time being a crat is daft. By that argument, only useless rubbish admins would be allowed to be crats. Indeed, only useless rubbish admins would be allowed to be on Arbcom ... hm.

Not sure that I fully agree there, PL. No one is compelled to do anything, but if the parallel with RL is applied, people who gain "promotion" tend not to continue to do the job of the lower grade. I would say it is possible - maybe unlikely in all 3 cases - but not entirely ruled out. The broader point about needing more 'crats is total pish. You don't need a button to produce excellent arguments in a 'crat chat situation - whether you have the official bauble or not. CCs are as rare as rocking horse shite anyway. No, this is just WP-en being top-heavy with office-holders without any evident need. I'm surprised Richie himself has not nominated himself, but maybe he has too many skeletons. I didn't credit him with having such perspicacity.

[Ritchie333]

I'm not nominating myself as I'm too controversial and have yelled at too many people, plus I'm not really interested anyway. A number of people have suggested I run for Arbcom, but frankly I'd rather stick red hot pokers in my eyes.

[Jans Hammer]

I'm not nominating myself as I'm too controversial and have yelled at too many people, plus I'm not really interested anyway. A number of people have suggested I run for Arbcom, but frankly I'd rather stick red hot pokers in my eyes.

so would I.

[Vigilant]

I'm not nominating myself as I'm too controversial and have yelled at too many people, plus I'm not really interested anyway. A number of people have suggested I run for Arbcom, but frankly I'd rather stick red hot pokers in my eyes.

so would I.

I'd do it, just for the lulz.

Hangin' Judge Vigilant presidin'...

[Ritchie333]

I'd do it, just for the lulz.

You'd do anything for the lulz, though. Except maybe a night out with Abd, that is.

[Vigilant]

I'd do it, just for the lulz.

You'd do anything for the lulz, though. Except maybe a night out with Abd, that is.

Add Corbett and Baxter to that list.

[Poetlister]

Not sure that I fully agree there, PL. No one is compelled to do anything, but if the parallel with RL is applied, people who gain "promotion" tend not to continue to do the job of the lower grade. I would say it is possible - maybe unlikely in all 3 cases - but not entirely ruled out.

I made three points:
* Being a crat is so little work these days (their main job, renaming accounts, has been taken away) that it should make little difference,
* If good or active admins are barred from being crats, only useless idle ones will become crats, which is in nobody's interest.
* Would that apply to Arbcom elections, given that being on arbcom is (or ought to be) a lot of work? Do we want Arbcom to be constituted entirely of useless idle admins?

I can add that the last two pints also apply to checkusers and oversighters.

[Wikiguy.DC]

We haven't had a crat chat for an RFB in ten years. Wonder how this one will play out.

[Poetlister]

56/13/3 is still 81%. Maybe it's a crat chat, but I suspect it will be a fail with no chat. No doubt there will be a secret chat about whether to have a public chat.