Wikipediocracy

CrowsNest

Given your self-evident inability to comprehend the words I have actually written, combined with your unerring ability to make up complete drivel in order to disagree with it, you have now joined my ever-growing ignore list. Congratulations. Hopefully, when you reach the point you're ignoring every...

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What a shameful spectacle. Wikipedians don't do well in situations like this, because it requires maturity and empathy. The developmental disorders and emotional stuntedness that predisposes people to seeing Wikipedia as a worthwhile use of their time, particularly those who gravitate to AfD with th...

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Ming almost wishes Ming hadn't asked. A couple of reasoned responses, and then one is off on a what-planet-did-that-come-from AI kick, and another goes on about their favorite obsession, and that's the end of discourse. I am beginning to suspect that it may well be time to leave this forum to the n...

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TFA is even worse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia ... ruary_2018

The only black appearing in that list, is of course rap music and gridiron.

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Check out Drmies' unblock of Martinevans123 for an example of how a strong collective stance against copyright can be completely undermined by one rogue admin driven by the social bonds between editors. Drmies claims Martin has promised "not to repeat these mistakes again". A read of his talk page m...

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[Wikipedia is] actually not only not "useless," but (1) it is being actively used and reused to the point where it is ubiquitous, and (2) being successfully exploited by Google and other tech monoliths, (3) who are fully appreciative of the benefits ( (a) free, (b) automatically updating, (c) legal...

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It's actually not only not "useless," but it is being actively used and reused to the point where it is ubiquitous, and being successfully exploited by Google and other tech monoliths, who are fully appreciative of the benefits (free, automatically updating, legal deniability) of this "crap, copyvi...

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Ming is correct. Their entire model is unsustainable. It should have transitioned to a 2.0 model years ago. 1.0 would have been the crowd-sourcing phase, in which they try to build as much content as possible, while 2.0 would involve hiring a team of actual professional editors, researchers, and wr...

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You've got it all backwards. People would know the difference because what differentiates it from the garbage pile would be a key spelling point of the service. Which would likely be free to use, but packaged as part of another paid for service, like mobile. People on the internet are cheap, and WP...

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That is not my experience of people in London. We're not all clueless yokels. Is there any evidence to support this strange hypothesis? Probably turnout. What, you mean that because turnout in the European Parliament elections was higher than in the local elections, this shows that people understoo...

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Ming's limited vision prevents him from seeing the doomsday scenario that was recently spoken of on this very board. It is the day Google/Apple/Amazon/Tesla/KFC switches on its AI engine, the one designed to process natural language queries inputted as voice or as a last resort, text, then examines...

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Ming's limited vision prevents him from seeing the doomsday scenario that was recently spoken of on this very board. It is the day Google/Apple/Amazon/Tesla/KFC switches on its AI engine, the one designed to process natural language queries inputted as voice or as a last resort, text, then examines...

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Ming is correct. Their entire model is unsustainable. It should have transitioned to a 2.0 model years ago. 1.0 would have been the crowd-sourcing phase, in which they try to build as much content as possible, while 2.0 would involve hiring a team of actual professional editors, researchers, and wr...

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It might be a salutary exercise to take a thousand WP articles at random and see how many of them could be replaced by existing superior web sources. You say that like you don't already know the vast majority would be useless unreferenced or poorly referenced junk, as per the Crap Articles thread, ...

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Wikipedia is meant to be be a largely volunteer driven activity. Its devotees are are meant to work together to solve big problems and not so big problems, covering everything from software to structural data to good honest content. Those people who labour on their own, in the dark, their nominal so...

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Ming's limited vision prevents him from seeing the doomsday scenario that was recently spoken of on this very board. It is the day Google/Apple/Amazon/Tesla/KFC switches on its AI engine, the one designed to process natural language queries inputted as voice or as a last resort, text, then examines...

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Ceoil is having a proper cry at not being allowed to have his say, even though its bullshit, as proven by recent page histories like this.... https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fedra_(Mayr)&action=history Cassianto is a full on Infobox Warrior, actively seeking out opponents to fuck with. No...

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I think this proves my point. In London (outside the City of London), each ward has three ward councillors. Apparently, many people don't even know that. Someone who lives in London probably would have. Yet they would still likely be clueless about the basics of the EU. That is not my experience of...

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It might be a salutary exercise to take a thousand WP articles at random and see how many of them could be replaced by existing superior web sources. You say that like you don't already know the vast majority would be useless unreferenced or poorly referenced junk, as per the Crap Articles thread, ...

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Ming's limited vision prevents him from seeing the doomsday scenario that was recently spoken of on this very board. It is the day Google/Apple/Amazon/Tesla/KFC switches on its AI engine, the one designed to process natural language queries inputted as voice or as a last resort, text, then examines ...

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Look at the Wikipedians getting all poe-faced at the prospect of this article being highlighted on the Main Page..... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Jackie_Wallace https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#Jackie_Wallace What happened to WP:NOTCENSORE...

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Kiefer only comes here these days to grief me and be Eric's proxy. As if he gives a rat's ass about the general state of the forum. Ridiculous.

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Have you bumped heads with Drmies yet? It won't be pleasant, but it will absolutely give you a good idea of what is considered worth mentioning in a BLP. His absolute favourite mantra is that if something isn't mentioned in a secondary source, it doesn't belong on Wikipedia. He regularly hacks out ...

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Zopa is a firm that organises peer-to-peer lending and promises a high rate of return on investment. You would look in vain in the article for many signs of the criticism that this firm has received. For example, it only recovers 10-15% of bad debts, often leaving investors badly out of pocket. Con...

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How many in this room knows the answer to those questions, let alone the name of their Euro-MP? As Boris Johnson knows perfectly well, not least because his father used to be a Euro-MP, you don't just have one. They are elected by proportional representation by region, so for example London has I t...

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The difference in obligation is obvious. The current British First Lady is Philip May , and that rather desperate article aside, it's pretty clear he's not interested in any of the sorts of things an American First Lady would be pressured into doing these days. Sarah Brown doesn't need to be indepen...

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Well, you can believe what you like, but I remain unconvinced you really know what this thread is all about. If the UK is the only place where informal meetups which aren't advertised outside the usual circles occur (thus making them pretty useless for any kind of outreach), so be it. Can't see why ...

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Erika, in this thread I am specifically talking about the meetups which are just informal gatherings of Wikipedians, to chat about anything in a social context. It's got nothing to do with outreach, WIR, WikiEd, GLAM, editathons or the WMF or any other kind of meetup where there is a formal agenda o...

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I'm pretty sure there's a more obvious explanation for her being there than it being part of her notional duties in the entirely non-existent role of First Lady. These days they're celebrities, sure, but they can pick and choose how they use that, as she presumably did here. It's not remotely the sa...

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How many in this room knows the answer to those questions, let alone the name of their Euro-MP? As Boris Johnson knows perfectly well, not least because his father used to be a Euro-MP, you don't just have one. They are elected by proportional representation by region, so for example London has I t...

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It is logical to me to include it. But maybe if this is perceived as being wrong, I should just stop doing BLPs and stop editing completely. Have you bumped heads with Drmies yet? It won't be pleaseant, but it will absolutely give you a good idea of what is considered worth mentioning in a BLP. His...

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... Unable themselves to fully comprehend the scientific arguments... There are no scientific arguments for 'Intelligent Design'. It is not a scientific hypothesis. Which shouldn't be confused as an argument that it isn't disproveable using the scientific method. That is what differentiates it from...

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Guy Chapman is proving what you have to do on Wikipedia to win - if the only way you can win is to lie and smear, then you have to lie bigly, smear your opponents bigly, and do both repeatedly. Being utterly odious also helps. He has no policy/guideline based argument, at least none which recognise...

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First Lady isn't a thing in Britain. It's not been common for the 'role' to be seen as obligating the 'holder' to do anything, least of all choose some good causes to champion. Indeed, Cherie Blair just carried on being a barrister and a working mother, which doesn't leave much time for ribbon cutti...

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I believe you are wrong in many of the things you say here, CN. I don't exclude this possibility.... Wales has a very active Wikipedia presence. The are the only Wikipedia to achieve gender balance. https://blog.wikimedia.org.uk/2016/12/wicipedia-cymraeg-a-few-milestones/ Not really sure how one pr...

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Here's an even simpler proposed decision, one which fairly reflects the views of all parties, the general disinterest of the wider community, and the principle that ArbCom don't set policy.... 1. In recognition that much of the disruption and incivility seen in the infobox dispute is down to the com...

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Thinking on this further, there's no reason they couldn't make a decent effort here. If we're assuming there are groups of committed Wikipedians in London, Oxford, Cambridge, Manchester and Edinburgh, as the current situation implies, then in reality, nearly every significant town in mainland Britai...

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For those who don't know, the "Meetup" is an informal gathering of Wikipedians to chat about wiki shit. They're not formal events, and aren't official as in being organised by either the WMF or the local UK Chapter. So in many ways, they are representative of the true editor community. I'm gonna spe...

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No way he wiki'd that. If Boris knows anything, it's obscure shit about the EU, just for the purposes of proving it's a bureaucratic behemoth out of touch with its citizens. Not that the ECHR or who your MEP is, is obscure, these the very basic building blocks of the thing (now, as distinct from it'...

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I thought we'd agreed to disagree a few posts back? Definitely not interested in you constantly returning to declare you're still right, you still speak for the world, at least the non-crazy parts of it, and that you see no interest in this thread's continuance. Unless that's your goal. To just turn...

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A far more useful use of such technology of course, is to cut Wikipedia out of the loop. Knowledge from reliable sources on demand, never left around to be vandalised.....

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It's hard to get offended by someone who clearly knows so little about you. It's not like it's hard to figure out what I spend most of my time posting about here. Pro-tip: it's not defending Nazis. I've mentioned a couple of TDA's pieces, and he and Dan have history, so that's likely the reason he h...

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Snopes -Not the only false rumor pushed by Gateway Pundit blogger Lucian Wintrich... No genuine news outlets have reported that Cruz was registered to vote for a specific political party." Snopes are irrelevant as a source for this claim - see previous posts which addressed this in detail, if you i...

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Guy Chapman is proving what you have to do on Wikipedia to win - if the only way you can win is to lie and smear, then you have to lie bigly, smear your opponents bigly, and do both repeatedly. Being utterly odious also helps. He has no policy/guideline based argument, at least none which recognises...

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https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/16/florida-shooting-white-nationalists-415672 Lots of lessons in this recent incident, which further support my positions this thread. I got halfway through writing them up, then thought, why bother...... I will merely note the irony of the fact that it is only...

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Wikipedia packages subjectivity and randomness as objectivity and structure? Well I never. Thank you, science. You're only ten years late in your conclusions, but thanks anyway.

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Unsurprisingly, their reasoning makes no sense, on the surface at least. Dig a little deeper, and you get the truth.... They've apparently dropped this program, which provided free access to Wikipedia on partner carriers, because they believe lowering data costs and the "rapidly shifting mobile indu...

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If someone wants to seriously argue that GT *is not* a far right website that publishes hoaxes and fake news then they've already lost the argument. This isn't something that's really up for debate. Luckily for them, this isn't the debate. Did you fail to spot that deliberately, or because you rare...

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Page views...... 13 Feb: 3,357 14 Feb: 24,161 15 Feb: 3,694 Seems to me that if your first edit was only lunchtime (East Coast) on the 14th, and this was merely the first of many hours worth of edits you deemed necessary, you've likely made little impact in terms of what most readers saw. Unless she...

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There's no subjectivity about it. It is inarguable that all given cites except the Politico one, are inadmissible for the purposes of backing the statement made. Ming is with Inigo Montoya on this one. If nothing else, the argument could be made that, since it is a matter of reputation, such citati...

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